Sustainable Small Harbors: Helping Coastal Communities Reimagine Their Waterfront

Good afternoon, everyone! Thank youfor joining us for the Sustainable Small Harbors event titled: “Helping coastalcommunities reimagine their waterfront.” We’re happy to share this project withyou today in collaboration with a number of partners. First, my name is AmySamples. I’m with Michigan Sea Grant and I’m going to walk you all through alittle bit of housekeeping before turning the program over to ourPrincipal Investigator, Don Carpenter. First, you are all joining this meeting onlisten-only mode. We apologize for the lack of a two-way conversation here, but thisis the technology we have to make sure that we share it with you. So again, you all are participating in listen-only mode. If you would like to pose a question for us,please do so using the questions or chat feature and we will attend to those atthe end of our time together today.There’s number of panelists joining us. Youwill be introduced to them in their turn. We will be recording this webinar andposting a recording to our project website. We’ll share that URL with you inthe chat box. You’ll also see the URL again later in our slides. So we willbe sharing both that recording and a copy of the slides. So without any further ado, I’ll turn it over to Dr. Don Carpenter. Thank you, Amy. So everyone can hear it as well, I’mgoing to start off by introducing the people that are in the room and then also the people that will be participating in this webinar remotely. So I’m going to work my way around the table here. We have Emily Finnell from the Office of the Great Lakes,Catherine Riseng from Michigan Sea Grant, Dave Kight from Dave Knight, LLC, andformerly of the Great Lakes Commission.Sanjiv Sinha from Environmental Consulting and Technology, Rhett Register for Michigan Sea Grant, and Geneva Langeland from Michigan Sea Grant. You’ve already heard from Amy. Also Todd Marsee from Michigan Sea Grantis joining us today. Remotely we have Mark Breederland from Traverse City. He’ll be covering part of the webinar today, as well as Paul Petersen from Lansing isgoing to be talking for the DNR. And then we have some guest panelists from NewBaltimore, which is John DuPray and Bonnie McInerney-Slater, and then DanSullivan will be joining us from Ontonagon. We are having some audiodifficulties, it looks like. So just give us one second to see if we can sort that out. [pause] We’ve had three or four people let us know that we have some shakyaudio for some of you, so we’re going to see if it’s on our end or not. Just give usone second. [pause] So we’re going to continue.So this project this has actually been a very large projectoriginally initiated in 2014 through the Michigan Sea GrantIntegrated Assessment program, but as the project evolved, it actually ended up beinga very unique and unprecedented consortium for funding agencies andpartners. So you can see that Michigan Sea Grant is the title organization at the top. But funding as well as contributions came from the DNRWaterways Program, the Office of the Great Lakes, the Michigan State HousingDevelopment Authority, and then the partners are part of the research team that’ll be introduced a little bit later. We’re Lawrence Technological University, ECT, Veritas Economic Consulting, and then David Larkin Knight, LLC. What are we going tobe covering today? So our agenda is, first, Dave is going to spend a fewminutes talking about the need for the project, why was this project proposed three years ago, and what was the impetus for getting it started?Then Emily Finnell is going to be talking a little bit about the state perspectiveand what their goals were for funding this project and getting involved.I willbe covering the actual project overview, that’s different than theagenda, that is what we actually accomplished as part of the researchproject. We’re going to hear some testimonials from New Baltimore andOntonagon who went through the Sustainable Small Harbors program. Then myself and Mark Breederland will bediscussing the findings, outcomes, and implementation piece. Finally, Markwill wrap it up with the future directions before we take Q&A in thelast 20 minutes. So with that, I’m going to turn it over to Dave. Thank you, Don. Thisconversation really started about seven or eight years ago with the convergenceof two patterns or trend lines that have really serious consequences for Michigan’s small harbors, actually Great Lakes small harbors. One of those trends was natural, one was fiscal. The natural event was largely a climatic one that started whenGreat Lakes water levels started trending downward in the late 1990s andhit historic lows in about 2012.I’m sure many of you have seen this chartand seen this pattern and remember the hardship that was caused when we hitthat historic low in 2012 a low, at least, in the time that records have beenkept. Many harbors experienced severely impaired navigability and somewere actually faced with potential closure and those are death sentences toharbor communities with a very short season and a very heavy reliant workingharbor. The other critical pattern that emerged at about the same time, coincidentally, had to do with the federal role in maintaining the 40 or sofederally authorized harbors in Michigan and the 80 or so others around the GreatLakes. Budget constraints for the Corps of Engineers at the time forced theminto a triage of sorts in which they had to deprioritize the shallow-draftharbors, federally authorized harbors, and concentrate on the cargo ports, the deep-draft ports, and that policy actually remains in place today. You can seethe consequences of that as the Corps essentially pulled out of the dredgingprogram for the small harbors and it’s still pretty tentative today.I should mention that efforts are afoot even today by the Great Lakes smallharbors coalition led by checkmate and others to reinstate that federal roleand through largely through the uniform of the lot of Resources Development Actand harbor maintenance tax handling policies but there is still muchuncertainty going forward and I think that that environment these tworealities these two trends and I should also mention that the state of MichiganI’ve got to give credit to the state for coming in in the darkest hour in 2013with the twenty million dollar plus emergency grudging program that shouldbe acknowledged but going forward looking ahead there’s still greatuncertainty about the federal role in dredging our maintenance and I thinkthat many communities coastal communities see the wisdom of selfsustainability strategy and that was part of the need that we wanted toaddress and as we talk with more partner agencies Sea Grant Mischka Office of theGreat Lakes and others we then became aware of a much broader need and theneed from deeper dive into small hours one part language the opportunity wasthere for a much broader investigation of our sustainability both on the wateror as navigability and on the land you’ve got to realize that thesecommunities but Harbor communities are crown jewels for the state of Michiganthey’re incredibly valuable assets for both quality of life and for economicgrowth in what we are still in a transitional economy that places a lotof reliance on tourism and recreation but we have to remember that all theseparts and harbors large and small have industrial roots they were built anddesigned originally to handle Goods cargo and people they weretransportation basic transportation this is Charlevoix Michigan in the nineteenthcentury you can see a lot of smoke a lot ofworking vessels a waterfront dominated by industries like lumber mills fartherdown the lake steel iron final boundaries or granary is involved in alot of heavy industry a lot of smoke a lot of vessel traffic now looking atJournal today you can see the same view and obviously it’s been repurposedredesigned as much different look and no smoke atleast on that day from the cement plant the windows blowing the right way but itwhat is true is that these towers were built for industry and have evolved itfor a different purpose and there’s still a lot of vestiges that’s the goalparts of their design built around an industrial original use so changehappens and it continues to happen will continue to happen I think the challengethat we saw for these communities is to shape that change and not let changeshape them as much when I think this project is about is helping communitiesof debt and respond to changes that they can’t control but also identify andaddress those as they can and do it as preemptively as possible in other wordsbe able to see over the horizon so it’s not about this project the needs forthis project it’s not just about sustaining navigability but alsosustaining livability and tractive ‘no stupid errs and authenticity that whichmakes these postal harper titles unique so i think you’ll see real value as wego through the project today just another shot of Charleroi the old daysit was dominated by mass in the old days and even today still dominated by massbut there’s no lumber involved so as we go through the project today and see howthese needs have been addressed I think you’ll appreciate the processes and theoutcomes that we came up with thank you David so I next you can hearfrom Emily so now she’s going to talk about the state’s perspectives and whattheir goals were in undertaking this project Emilyso as chase mentioned the state of Michigan’s interest really began acouple of years ago when we were dealing with the emergency dredging situationback in 2013 to 2014 and the Department of Natural Resources waterways programinvested about 21 million dollars into some emergency dredging that was madeavailable for recreational harbors in Michigan and really interested time tostart to think about long-term sustainability of our recreationalharbors and how can we help communities start to plan for those long-term needswe were seeing a lot of short-term focus communities we’re thinking about youknow what do they need to do to keep their harbor zone and for that upcomingseason oftentimes the harbor was viewed as aliability and not integrated into a community and economic development plansuch as the communities capital improvement plans in addition in 2015the Michigan DNR waterways program began to requirefive-year recreation plans for Harvard community has been over to be eligiblefor grant and aid funds so we wanted to help communities have the best toolsavailable to develop really effective five-year recreation plans for thecommunities we wanted to start to think about how do we help communities be moreself-sustaining to address the needs of their community and help them plan andbecause those long-term needs of the harbor now what what were the long termvoting trends looking like what kind of infrastructure would they like to see intheir community if they were to build their Harvard today to meet the means ofthe next 20 years what would that look like from the office of the Great Lakesperspective we were also really interested in bringing together a numberof partners that are currently working and coles of communities and figureout some effective ways to align our resources and the way that we engagethose communities to focus on long term strategies and we look to our partnersin Michigan Sea Grant at Lawrence Tech EC key andother partners that have been involved Michigan Economic DevelopmentCorporation’s DNR even betweens big housing development authority so thishas been a really unique collaboration of multiple state agencies andinstitutions really coming together to help communities implement long termstrategies whether for the recreational harbors and it’s really about what isthat future vision for the community that integrates the harbor into theiroverall futures community’s vision what would they like to see for the next 20years we hope that the results of this project and the tools and best practicesthat will talk about more as we go through this webinar will really betransferable and applicable to other Harvard communities around Michigan’scoalesce as well as great links communities that are facing similarchallenges some of the goals that we were hoping to achieve or laid out inthis slide we want to make sure that recreational harbours were reallyintegrated into Community and Economic Development planning is strategic assetshow do we really help communities leverage the economic capacity of thatHarbor from an environmental economic social and cultural perspective it wasreally important to us to make sure that harbors and waterways were wellmaintained and they supported recreational and commercial use andaccess to our water resources another important recognition was thatyou know there are limited resources available to invest in these communitiesso how do we make sure that we’re investing in a strategic manner so thatwe have the same public access to our water resources and as I mentionedmaking sure that the tools and practices that we identify in this project arereally transferable to other communities invent the learnings that we’ve had inthe case studies and the proof-of-concept communities can betransferred and help other communities be successful Emily thank you very muchso you’ve heard a little bit now about what the state’s goals were and wherethe project started so let’s talk a little bit more what the actual projectis so as I mentioned at the beginning the project started off as an integratedassessment being funded through Michigan Sea Grant which means it had a coreresearch question and that core research question was what are the key barriersto small harbor economic social environmentalstainability and what are the tools that would help small harbor managers createmore stability in their communities so when you think about that core questionthe when you think about that core question for a second we’re reallytalking about is we think about sustainability it’s really that triplebottom-line definition of stability we have to have a place that people want tolive work and play so that’s really what we try to focus on what we wouldn’tvisit these communities as part of the project so the team itself we actuallyhad this giant a large project research team and that was broken down to theresearch team which was Lawrence tech ect Veritas second Amba consulting andthen David Larkin Knight LLC that was the research team who was integrated theintegrated assessment piece of this we were supported by the state agencieswhich the obstacle a Lakes Sea Grant DNR and Michigan State Housing DevelopmentAuthority and then also the Michigan Economic Development 40 and then finallywhat we had is we had a series of partners that were part of the advisoryboard and so the advisory board were stakeholders and communityrepresentatives that kind of guided us through the entire project if you lookedat some of the people on our advisory board it was the waterways Commissionthe Michigan boating Industry Association the Great Lakes harborscoalition Land Policy Institute members of the Michigan Municipal League as wellas private industry this advisory board was actually very important in theprocess for a couple things so one is there are sounding board as we weremanaging the project through 2014-2015 they made sure we ask the rightquestions they make sure we engage the right people and then as we develop thetools and the tactics they gave us feedback on that as we went so so anywayso moving forward then we also ask that each of the four case study communitiesput a person on the advisory board as well because we wanted them to beintegrated as part of the project not just be a member of a case study teambut really part of the broader leadership okay so what we did is westart off with we really had to talk a lot about a placemaking strategy rightand then how do we create value for this and so part of that came through theNational shred Institute process or the NCI the National shred Institute processone of the first things we heard every community we went to is what’s aCharette so I imagine that on the phone today probably 75% of you at least haveno idea what a shred is but effectively what a shred is is actually the word forcart in French and I found this out for the first time about four years agomyself and I like to tell the story just because it makes a lot of sense so theword Charette is cart in French and where it really came from is the artistin Paris at that time we’re frantically trying to finish their wares so thatthey could then sell them to the local community and they would literally ridearound on a cart and do rapid prototyping and drawing and then selltheir wares to the to the communities and so that’s really what this projectis about we would actually engage these local communities and we would beworking frantically while the community stood and looked over our shoulders andwe’re going to get a little bit more detail about the national shred processand in just a minute the next thing with the establish oftools and tactics guidebook you’re going to hear a lot more about that as well asthe four case studies and then finally at the end of the project we wanted todisseminate it through webinars such as this as well as summary report case faceback sheet and a very robust website that will be introduced to you at theend of the project so let’s talk a little bit more about the NCI shred whatthis really is is a community visioning process and so as part of that communityvisioning process what you do is you start off with a public visioningmeeting so you go into a community and you ask them about what their vision forthe future is from there you have what they call work cycle where you actuallygenerate alternative concepts so every community we went into we listened tothe community we talked to the community and we post three kind of alternativerealities to the future of what we would call pent water 2035 or Ontonagon 2035from there we went back to the drawing board we talked to the community againthey got an opportunity to give us feedback number public review meetingthat generated a preferred plan or common vision for the future after thatwe had the open house review and then finally we finalized the plandevelopment and presented a final public forum meeting so this is kind of themultiple quick review loop sessions associated with the Charette so what didthis actually look like for the community well to actually put this inthe context we developed what we were calling a onethree one model right and the one three one model refers to one day at thecommunity where we do the initial visioning exercises which is where weidentify the community’s assets weaknesses barriers to becoming thecommunity they want to become and then what are the connections both to thewaterfront as well as the surrounding area non-motorized access is becoming amuch larger point in the state of Michigan and we wanted to them to thinkbeyond just the motorized boats or the cars but broader connections to thetrail systems that are very important to the economy of the future from there wewent then the three days the three days Charette where was the intense workingsessions then I just referred to in the previous slide and then finally we goback to the community and do a final presentation so to give you anunderstanding of what that looked like first a pen water it was actually abouta two-month engagement process we would go but we went there in March then wentthere in April for a very detailed three-day work session where we worknon-stop for three straight days and then finally went back almost two monthslater for the kind of the final community report so that’s the one threeone model you might hear us refer to laterso the Charette team the strete team itself was led by the extension office’sMichigan Street grant Lawrence Tech we were part of all of the all fivecharettes the forest case study for case study communities and the one proof ofconcept and then we were supported by several planning and design firms thathelped along the way Edgewater Resources Studio CI at a South Bay other thanRichard Newman’s architects so for that I’ve given you kind of a brief overviewof the project and the actual community engagement part of it so now you’regoing to get a couple testimonials from communities that we embedded ourselvesinto and at first testimony is going to come from New Baltimore so mayor Dupreyif you are available I done yes I sure AM thanks thank you Danthe city of Baltimore is a waterfront community and Lake st.Clair insoutheast Michigan water is our biggest asset where other than that were mostlya bedroom community but we are very very fortunate to beas one of the four pilot project cities for this project and I want to say thankyou to Michigan Sea Grant and the entire team we again our residents are veryvery fortunate and these team members came from all over the state and you hadto be impressed by their expertise so they came to New Baltimore in Februaryof 2015 I think was the coldest February in the history of the state of Michiganand we had very good participation from our I didn’t know what a Charette waseither and nobody else did we have very good participation from our residents wemet no local library and after the Charette process asking residents whatthey wanted what they saw a hardier a sustainable harbour was shown to be thenumber one objective to improve our city by the residents and it’s because waterwas shown to be our biggest asset and their biggest ability for placemaking toimprove our city so after this process was done this really gave us the city ofNew Baltimore momentum to pursue a grant and with the DNR trust and the grant wasthe objective of the grant was to get enough money to purchase a locally alocal marina that was privately held yes we were successful in getting the grantwe haven’t completed the deal as yet but it is about four blocks from ourdowntown area it’s called shmidt marina and we hope to have this done shortlywe’re still working out the details of the deal but we couldn’t have done thisI don’t think it had the momentum and had the support of all the statedepartments like we did unless we were a member of this Charettewe learned a lot so what we do from here on in is we hope to use the tools thatwe learn from this whole sea grant process sustainable private propertiesprogress sustainable small harbors in progress to to assemble to assemble a team here which we have toas we move forward to be able to better manage our lake track properties we haveanother a number of them but we don’t have any way to do that and thissustainable harbors project gives us the tools to do thatand what it does is to make our community better and it does it byimproving the quality of life of all the residents of our city I think itimproves the quality of life of all of the residents of southeast Michigan andin the state of Michigan and I think that we have already shown that sincesustainable harbors project has been completed that the emphasis on our blueeconomy is greatly increased our city is progressing we’re expanding and it’sthis had a lot to do with it we have these now have people coming infrom all over who want to invest in our city because it and it all started Ibelieve with the sustainable harbors project and I think New Baltimore isgoing to be a small town but we’re going to continue to be part of our blueeconomy here in the state of Michigan so again I want to I can’t say how gratefulI am to be a part of this project Thank You mayor Duprey really appreciate thatcan you uh tell me the story about the big flag on the screen real quick thatflag wasn’t there when we visited yes we had a water tower was I was not in usein it with our water department we have new Baltimore is a full-servicecommunity we have our own water plant our own sewer plant our own police andfire and so forth but we had a tall water tower and it was a landmark fromall around the the lake you could know exactly where you were by I’ve seen thema water tower and you see that circular a blue container that water tank it wasright behind that well one we had to take that down for a number of reasonsand so the local Lions Club decided they have to do something so to make to putup another landmark for promoters so they came up with the idea of putting upa flagpole in this one that you’re looking at now is the tallest flagpolein the state of Michigan it’s 160 feet point something and it is I’m not quitesure whether it’s the tallest or the third tallest in east of the Mississippior not but it’s quite a landmark and the flag is 60 30 by 60 and you come intoNew Baltimore you can’t miss it it’s a beautiful beautiful thing that the localLions Club did and it’s a big asset to our town thank youhi asked about the flag is when we were there that the water tower was listed asboth an asset and a liability there was a liability in that it wasrusting and no longer be structurally safe but it was an asset in that it wasthe drawing point from the marina side from the water sighted community bringpeople in so I just wanted to point out that even though you lost that theimportant part of having that beacon to bring people in was was identifiedthrough the process I’m glad to see the flag so thank you you’re welcome so ournext we’re going to talk about Ontonagon Dan Sullivan are you uh are you online Iam you hear me all right yeah I can Dan I are you joining us from Ontonagontoday or somewhere else in the world not today I’m in sunny Atlanta Georgia whereit’s about 80 degrees and beautiful but kind of wishing I was up in Ontonagonuse it as usual I’m going to Dan I’m just going to quickly say that that youfly or a professional pilot yes right and that despite the fact you fly allaround the world that you call Ontonagon your home and that I want to use that asa setup as you talk about the process from your eyes yes I do and that’s greatmy family has a long history there my great-great-grandfather was firstlighthouse keeper I have a lot of family there so I have a long history and Iintend to retire up there and live there butI can tell you a little bit about how we got going on the project and what welearned about it when when we announced a noggin a few of us heard about thesmall harbor sustainability project coming to town we got together andimmediately what we did was contacted the media we Ontonagon is a smallcommunity in the western you pianned the southern shore of Lake Superioreconomically on Sinagra has been hit very hard nineteen ninety six we lostour big copper mine and white pine due to closure and in 2008 we lost our papermill smurfette stone went bankrupt and knocked down the paper mill so we losttwo of our biggest employers and we were quite depressed economically a lot ofpeople had left and the town was basically kind of floundering well wewere sure happy to you know to have the small harbour project come to town andso we got together and immediately contacted the media print media TV mediastarted talking on a radio and and we started to at least get the idea out tothe people that hey this visioning project is coming to town this is a realplus for us let’s get together with this thing and let’s see what happened and wewere very successful in getting our public to buy into the visioning thatthat the project brought us one at night I believe it was a Friday Charette nightwe had 10% of our village population show up at that sheriff which you knowwe’re about 1100 people and we had about 110 people show up which was phenomenalfor us and what it did really I heard New Baltimore talk about this momentumthat is absolutely what happened with us we were able to get our people kind ofsolidified in purpose because you know it just brought us together and and andit was hope you know there was some hope here and the momentum continues to carrythrough today you know a year and a half after you guys were in town we continuedto have momentum as a matter of fact we applied for a placemaking grant withwoopa tur one of the local organizations that offers grants and today we learnedthat we were the recipient of a $5,000 placemaking grant that we’re going touse for a public beach up there that is all a result of the small harbor teamcoming to town and you know one of the things that happen when you came whenyou guys came to town is the village council got together and adopted yourvision as a temple for our future planning and immediately along with thatis they reinstated the DDA the Downtown Development Authority and we gottogether with a group of people and and started working towards the vision thatyou gave us so it has been just wonderful for Ontonagon as far asmomentum goes we’re in the process of opening a beach one of the things thathappen as a result of the charettes was the people said they wanted morerecreational facilities there wanted it to be a little more of a tourist town sowe’ve been working hard with opening a beach we worked with lakeshore systemswho owns that big there’s a big shipbuilding yard right on Lake Superiorright at the end of our main street we were able lease about four acres of landto use as a public beach in this place making grant is going to be used in thebuilding of that Beach so and we continued you know little littlevictories we get bigger victories so you know we we have now some positives withthis grant that we’ve gotten and we’re going to work with more but the greatestthing is the village manager has a copy of your final report and when somethingcomes up you will always hold up you know whatever the picture is the finalpicture and say here’s what the small Harbor team envisions for us and this iswhat they use as their template going forward in planning for the RECcommission it’s the template and it’s a template that we’re going to use for thenext 20 or 30 year so you know we’re very grateful that thestate of Michigan um you know invested in us and we’re trying to make the mostof it here in Ontonagon so that I say that gives you a little bit about youknow idea of what was in it yes dan thank you thank you for sharing therecent successes as well the one thing I want to say I’m going to react to thatwith two points so the first point was it’s your vision we just facilitated theprocess so it’s a we were there not to tell you what to do but we were there tocall us your ideas for the future into something that’s coherent a coherentplan for you and the other thing I wanted to react to is you mentioned thereport for those of you who are online you’re going to see a website later butthe full shred reports for all four case study communities are online so you canwhen a when Dan says this is what the village manager holds up and showseveryone that that actual report is available online so so Dan we’re veryhappy that you could join us today appreciate you taking time out of yourbusy travel schedule to join us and it’s great to hear that you guys are aremaking progress on your vision regarding appreciate it on yes thank you all rightso moving on so you heard a little bit about the Charette process the communityengagement design process and then you heard a couple testimonials from two ofour communities but one of the things we said is we’ve just kind of wrapped upthis multi-year research program right and so I’m going to spend a little bittalking about the findings and outcomes of the research part of this beforeMartin reader and we’ll talk about how we are moving to the future so what aresome of the findings right so by the way that’s Ontonagon in the background thereand one of the big findings we had are in historical impediments you heard DaveKnight talk about the aging infrastructure in the industrial past ofa lot of these communities and so pretty much every community we went to hadeither real or perceived impediments and this could be anything from a legacyindustrial facility like we heard about already or it could even be a socialconstruct right it wasn’t necessarily a physical impediment it could be an editpediment or social impediment that needed to be resolved before a communityto move forward so working with the community to articulate those historicalimpediments are was important before they can move forward so the nextfinding is that these these visioning sessions right I know we’ve been callingthem charettes but they’re community visioning sessions having these longterm engaged visioning sessions was absolutely critical working through someof the other communities where we didn’t necessarily do the full 1-3-1 model theresults weren’t as impactful so having that longer-term opportunity foreveryone’s voice to be heard and then a discussion of the sensitive topics forthose communities and then taking that to this vision for the future you heardfrom two of the communities but the other communities have have similarstories so we’re going to advocate for community visioning sessions movingforward we have to have a local champion you know what I think is important tonotice here is that the the local champion can vary so the local championfor New Baltimore was very much mayor Duprey an elected official he was theone really beating the drum Dan Sullivan is an engaged citizen so a stakeholder abusiness owner as well but he has no elected capacity in the city so you canhave a local champion that doesn’t always have to be an elected official itcan be a minute scible POI it could be an engaged citizen but it’s reallyimportant to identify that local champion and then have an implementationteam nobody can do it by themselves right you have to put together a teamaround them to implement the plan and that’s the next finding is that you haveto have these plans aligned we’ve already heard about recreation planswaterfront plans master plans capital improvement plans you know anycommunities got a half a dozen plans or so sitting on the shelf one of thethings we found from this project is you have to really look at those plans witha critical eye and really focus on the waterfront of your community that’s thefirst thing is a line these plans with each other and align it with yourwaterfront a lot of these communities despite that history that Dave and Italked about a lot of them have not really looked at their waterfront as anasset and plan to move forward at that so that wasone thing that was eye-opening for us is sometimes the amount of thought that wasgiven towards aligning the plans and focusing on the waterfront what is maynot be what you’d expect which leads us to the next one which was value captureright one of the things you heard Emily talk about is that these a lot of thecommunities looked at the harbours and the waterfront as liabilities a place sothey’re going to have to spend money to improve well part of this program wentthrough taking the mindset change you had to view your waterfront as an assetand once you were able to view the waterfront of the marina as an asset youwere then able to leverage the value capture and that value capture couldcome through an increased tax base it could come through tourism revenues itcould come through grant funding one of the things both New Baltimore not theNagin experienced with the idea of going out and acquiring grant funding but youreally heard loud and clear from their Despres about all the private investmentthat’s going on right so they made a they engage in this project made acommitment to their vision of the future and they’re seeing private investmentcoming through so there is an opportunity for value capture in thesecommunities beyond just grant dollars can’t underestimate the importance ofpartnerships and how do you go about identifying those partners and engagingthose partners mark Boudreau is really going to cover this a little bit moredetail in the next segment but you need to figure out who your partners arewhether it’s the media whether it’s the marketing whether it’s RegionalDevelopment Authority but also reaching out to the Extension Service and SeaGrant and the waterways Commission Paul Peterson the DNR is on the phone hemight talk later there’s a lot of partners out there thatavailable to you and that’s really important to figure out who thosepartners can be and what how they can help you because I guarantee you there’sa lot of people in the state of Michigan that want these communities to besuccessful and then finally the last finding has to do with the visitorexperience so if you’re coming in from the outside what do you experience andso the visitor experience itself what we found is that a successful sustainablewaterfront has these four elements right has to be accessible it has to beaccessible both from the water words making sure the harbor’s are dredged andkept up and has to be accessible from the landing side right we already talkedabout the public accesses is critical especially as we are doing more to anon-motorized economy so we have to have to be connected you know don’tunderestimate the importance of local Wi-Fi and Internet in your downtownpeople want to be linked they want to be linked not only with nature but alsowith their smartphones right parking is a key aspect a lot of these smallcommunities they have to be diverse you know one of the things we heard inseveral the communities we visit is what we don’t need is another t-shirt shop oktourist shops t-shirt shops are important but you really do need to havekind of more of a diverse waterfront so that not all of your eggs are in asingle industry or a single basket so that allows your community to be morephysically and economically resilient and then finally it has to be welcomingthis is one of the things coming from the outside it allowed us to really witha critical eye look at how welcome to community is if you live somewhere youknow where everything is you know how to navigateyonis I think about what it is like to be a visitor so a lot of what we foundwas analyze communities just didn’t have enough signage or enough opportunity tofind out what’s happening in the community so marketing media signage allof those things play a very important role in a vibrant downtown and a goodvisitor experience so those are some of the key findings the biggest outcome ofthe project was the tools and tactics guidebook this is a fantastic visuallyappealing publication that was put together with a tremendous amount ofhelp from the Michigan Sea Grant staff it really summarized 2 years of work isavailable in its entirety online I’m not going to walk through the entireguidebook I would take too long but I just want to tell you briefly thesections that are in the guidebook there’s a chapter on the project that’sreally kind of highlight some of what Dave Knight was talking about what EmilyFNL was talking about it also talks a little bit more about the Great Lakesenvironment dredging efforts as well as more about the the placemaking and someof the things that we found are important through the process all forthe community profiles are in there so this really highlights the four casestudy communities the worked in efforts that went throughthere and this is where we go in a little bit more detail about bestpractices the findings and the visitors experience that I just shared with youchapter three is economic sustainability the economic sustainability piece you’regoing to hear more about value capture you’re going to look more at what doesit mean to be economically sustainable and then there’s a couple really niceshort case studies that Dave Knight helped contribute to that talked aboutSouth Haven as a model for self-sufficiency and also the concept ofa dredging collaborative where harbors are actually taking ownership of theirown sustainability efforts by collaborating on dredging and so that’shappening both on the west coast as well as some of the Michigan towns arestarting to look at these dredging collaboratives and putting thingstogether that will be better for shared economic sustainability and then thelast chapter of the of the guidebook again it’s about a 60 page guidebook butthe last chapter the guidebook is the tools and tactics and the tools andtactics really also has the flowchart and mark Bruin is going to be talkingabout that so I’m not going to go into any detail but I do want to point outthat a hyperlinked version of this document is available on the projectwebsite so we’re going to refer to remarks going to refer to a lot ofresources all of those resources are available on the website and through thehyperlinked version of the PDF so if you download the PDF you’ll find it’s a veryuser-friendly experience courtesy of the communication staff here at Michigan SeaGrant and with that I’m going to turn it over to mark good afternoon everybodymark reader land here with Michigan Sea Grant and I’m going to talk a little bitabout implementation and perhaps you’re one of the many coastal communitiesacross Michigan or elsewhere that wants to begin to start something like thisand maybe the state or the group is not you don’t have the opportunity to be apilot like so many like Ontonagon and you Baltimore have been for this projectwe are going to just how to talk about what are some of the essential thingsthat the the whole team put together and I think I’m going to go right to thenext slide and show you the team really didphenomenal amount of thinking and we’re going to kind of just delve into if youwant to visit rolling up your sleeves where would you start what are some ofthe essential elements and again is Don just talked about you know the inventoryboth of the community in the waterfront and then your visioning planning thevalue capture and implementation and I know this kind of fonts are a little bithard to read we’re going to dig into this but you’ll see that tabs over thereon the left side of your screen and that’s really the highly recommended wereally consider those essential elements of kind of a sustainable small harborwaterfront stuff I mean if you wanted to say required we didn’t want to use thatterm quite quite so much but they really are essential and then the second tabwhich is in blue is the recommended and you’re going to see some other knowinformation and available resources that are highlighted in blue and then we alsohad kind of as we as we researched and delved into the kind of the bestpractices and things that are available Nashville we put in kind of the thirdlevel of additional resources some of this stuff is fairly thick Don mentionedit is all there’s a links to all these things you don’t have to search too farto find them so we try to make that pretty pretty available so so those arethe things you know what are what are some of the things that you have to dowe’re going to start kind of talking about these in a section so let’s go tothe next slide so again when you think about New Baltimore here is pictured onthe on the left and I can get pen water on the right in these images but youknow communities typically have a community master plan cities townshipsvillages in Michigan of course and again Donna already stressed that you knowkind of how the water frogs not necessarily fully considered in some ofthe traditional master plans and things so you start about that so let’s go tothe next slide we’re just going to talk about a few of the essential and thenthey’re really the recommended the next level so this is on a community sideso again your goal is trying to delve into this you know maybe the pressure oryour community really has some some needs to update it so it’s waterfront inthe community desire there these are some of the things that you actuallyhave to have and really a reasonably updated take on them so existing touristinformation that could all be gathered that’s certainly always up-to-date yourcommunity master plan your zoning Maps hopefully you have a capital improvementplan and if not hopefully you can begin the developing one is where theinvestments are made from that city township village certainly your regionalplans – excuse me a little bit broader context and then now you know kind ofthe broader land use data those are essential things you see I skipped overthe first one and the first bullet in there is your possible participants inleadership and again maybe you’ve heard it already throughout this webinar butidentifying the right set of leaders sometimes it can be at the City Councillevel it can come from a Downtown Development Authority you could comefrom a Chamber of Commerce it could come from a Lions Club we even heard theexample of the Lions Club there being a champion for that really called flagpolethere in New Baltimore so again sometimes it’s helpful if you have somehelp from outside to kind of focus that but it can be done internally so butthat really does need to come together and and you know identify some of thoseleadership is and kind of have a time frame and then set that out of course todig a little bit deeper in your community you want to look at other youknow leadership charts certainly dig into the census and employment data I’vealready seen some good examples of you know kind of updated aerial photosobviously drones are kind of shooting a lot more footage of some of ourcommunities these days than just few years ago and any recent user feedbackand surveys those are would be a really recommend it to add on to that communityin Victoria let’s go to the waterfront inventory so again at the waterfrontlevel do you have Maryna statistics do you have you knowfor instance you know the boats that have been burnt they’re launched youknow you have a few years of a financial summary we had a few of our cases thatwe kind of review and stuff and they actually run their harbors kind of anenterprise institute of of a city and they really had some excellentinformation on that so again make sure that that data being collected so thatyou can use it in a really good way in the future there we also have in the inmichigan and neighboring states have kind of a clean marina program yeahthat’s kind of a voluntary self assessment checklist again some of thebest practices of ways to kind of make sure your marina is optimized youdefinitely should be looking at local sediment dynamics we’ve talked about thedredging issue and we have some you know the core has some pretty good historicalstuff on that maybe your community has some of that but again how much sand orother sediment is coming in from you know your shore currents longshorecurrents or coming down a river system for instance not the recommended levelis some of this stuff is actually pretty easy to get is the yep it kind ofnowhere on a course website but you can download the course information aboutpast historical dredging and they have a detailed site of what was maybe ifyou’re a federal Harbor or what the specific area that would been dredged italso the Corps flew kind of throughout the whole Great Lakes base and in this2012 so it’s a few years dated now but it’s a really nice free obliquewaterfront photos we were able to kind of capture those and print those andthree foot by four foot size maps and kind of ate them all together justreally give a nice view of the waterfront so the oblique photos areavailable again we have a hyperlink to that and again maybe there’s some otherlocal photography at the waterfront level that you could look at let’s go onto the next section visioning and planning visioning and planning as youknow it’s you let’s go right onto the onto our chart there again a facilitatedcommunity meeting again that’s talking about howhow is that set up who’s invited you know that the meetings that had suchgreat success weren’t due to the steam coming in from outside but really due tothe community so when Dan Sullivan talked about 10% of the villagespopulation that was due to the great efforts that happened in Ontonagontremendous efforts and all the other communities put into Baltimore but thatwas the the desire the community get a snapshot in time and get the people outit listened to what they’re saying we really enjoyed just trying to captureall the great input that people had in a and a passion for their or theircommunity so again there’s a lot of different charettes and reports and lotsof resources here on our website that we really want you to dig into in Michiganof course the meed c– has these redevelopment ready community bestpractices and that’s actually a very good thing I think many of yourcommunities may be participating or are at least aware of that that’s certainlya great strategy it also really helps with funding in the future in Michiganthe land Policy Institute at the Michigan State has a place makingassessment tool again that that’s available and you can walk through andagain just Dan mentioned again and Ontonagon where they kind of becomegauged and inactive with their like regional planning efforts and I heardthe great success about a grant just today so make sure that those things arepart of your you know kind of extra efforts that you want to do for thatagain at the recommended level there’s some other resources available we havesome michigan coastal community working waterfront resources that were developeda few years ago there’s a smart growth for coastal waterfront communities andagain if possible we put down kind of at the bottom is conduct and nationalshredding Charette now again there’s different varieties we did that wepromoted the 131 but you could do a lot in just one evening if that’s what yourresources allow so that’s really key and I just think it brought an opportunityand then somebody is the word that this is the opportunity to talk aboutin a sense somewhat taboo topics so I’ve got an example in the next slide just tolook a little bit of what what we did for for capturing some of the employedof course and these are our either called wordles or just different textsizes how many times the word marina mentioned then you make that into a bigfont the computer is able to do that parking marketing what are all of theyou know opportunities and issues and you had just kind of put those up thereso this is one of the output products we spent a lot of time kind of taking thefeedback that was written and on various forms and putting them into thesewordles but just give you a nice snapshot and a little bit of a consensusindication of what direction the community wants to go let’s go intovalue capture next now I’m dirty set this up well value capture is what’sgoing to you know kind of drive the longevity of being able to have asustainable harbor on the fiscal end so you need to have the very goodinformation and I think Emily talked about kind of some of the requirementsof state of Michigan has now but again here is make sure that the local level Tdoing those expense and income balance sheets the harbor marketingopportunities that are out there there are some tools that depending on thejurisdiction maybe there are some opportunities for things like a taxincrement finance district that might touch the the waterfront of the marinaor making sure that the marine investment the dollars captured from thelocal marina would actually be reinvested in there you really if youlook at it and I think Paul Peterson could talk about this most of thesemarinas and hardware’s across Michigan I really you know they generate a lot ofmoney for their local community and it’s good for the dollars to be planned outfor that Harbor and waterfront not kind of moved elsewhere into their Townshipfor instance so those are your value capture options again there could besome great opportunities for public-private partnerships through timeand even simple things I’ll just throw this out there one of our communitiesjust mentioned that they hadn’t really beenwe’ll be collecting their boat launch fees and that’s usually $5 a pop orwhatever and they started enforcing that and that actually really helped providesome dollars to improve some of the nearshore areas I think you heard maybefrom some of the communities obviously the the grant funding opportunities canbe a real big boost so again as those some of those are ongoing some of thosethat are local so this could be done within a community foundation level forinstance but be sure you’re aware of those and how you can maybe get thingsset up for that at the recommended level again there’s a my place resourcessection that’s again from the from the state of Michigan and we also had asustainable working waterfront toolkit a kind of a national snapshot of what arethe different elements and tools that are used nationally there so those areall available let’s go to the next slide please at the implementation section andagain implementation is going to be dependent on so many issues and I justwanted to talk about the first one the format implementation team and identifypath leaders and at the end of one of our in Rogers City actually I’ll givethem a big shout out because they self-identified that they didn’t wantthis plan to sit on a shelf after the team came in there and they formed whatthey call a super positive group I was led by a the super positive snows led bya City Councilman and he grabbed together the Chamber of Commerce andanother business leader and a few others means it’s like I just seen too many ofthese things to finish up and so we want to make sure that we’re going to come upwith a schedule and we’re going to task things out and we’re going to make surethat we keep some momentum going so those kinds of creative ideas reallykeen from the community up this wasn’t academics or professionals kind ofbringing those things down to the community so I think you’ll find thosekinds of examples across the across the system again looking at your existingplans with your focus on the waterfront this is kind of that standard listcommunity master plan the recreation plan looking at your waterfrontoperations and maintenance certainly the zoning and the ordinancesometimes the Zoning Board of Appeals there’s been a lot of work on the formbased code and some of that definitely applies in these downtown and waterfrontareas capital improvement plan is that is a huge tool and again now we foundsome of the communities again are probably a little bit behind on this butI think that they’re trying to come up with ways to map out how do they investthe capital dollars that they have coming in and make an intentional planwhether it’s a sidewalk connection or universal access or some of those kindsof things but just make sure that it’s mapped out and people like parts of MSUExtension will come in and give an updated you know way to develop acapital group plan so reach out to agencies like an Extension Service andthey may be able to assist your community obviously you have to have anemergency response plan and again the the the recommended stop here isredevelopment ready make sure that you could be a clean Rena community andreally consider those dynamic water levels that’s really a key thing as thenight is started let me go to the next slide and talk a little bit about futuredirections so this project has been ongoing for several years and we’reexcited to kind of talk about a little bit about the future directions and somehopefully a little bit of wisdom but we’ve been learning from the communitiesand their different innovations that they have so again the team and acrossMichigan you heard it from from the state all that you know how do weencourage these coastal community innovations and kind of what works bestfor everybody so that’s what we want to continue to hear and what creative ideasand mentioned that Enterprise Fund in one of our communities that’s actuallySouth Haven Michigan I know it’s the at the community level sometimes you getnew city managers I believe there may be a few city managers on the webinar todaybut sometimes somebody comes from a community that’s not a coastal communityagain what are some of those issues and opportunities that coastal communitieshave really responsibilities maybe you’re notdealing with water levels if you’re in the middle of our great state but youare if you’re along the Great Lakes shoreline of water what are the issuesand things that the city manager needs to kind of be aware of so maybe there’ssome opportunities that we can as you Extension and Sea Grant Extension methere’s some opportunities that we can interface with the groups and you heardsome of the mention of Michigan Municipal League and others to try andreach people as turnover happens retirements those kinds of things againDon mentioned so strongly about the opportunity to leverage and partneragain where existing institutions are this team from the DNR waterwaysCommission and and the Office of the Great Lakes coastal zone management thisis really a great you know set of institutions when you look at the wholeof the project and again we’re resources allow we want to continue to build onthat Don talked about how many people want to see the the community successfulso again we want to hear what does what works and what doesn’t and againwhatever the different venues are for that at annual meetings of a MichiganAssociation of counties or the township Association or whatnot how to waterwaysmay be a good be sessions of some of those annual meetings and those kinds ofthings in the future I along those lines at the great segueto next slide just a little plug here from now we’re hosting in Grand RapidsMichigan a national conference on working waterways and water fronts andthis will be the fifth one usually about three to four hundred people attendingfrom around the country the first yes we have in the Great Lakes and so they’regoing to do some field trips and see some of the coastal communities no 45minutes or so away from from Grand Rapids but again this is a greatopportunity to network and hear different success stories and maybe somefailure stories or whatnot just ways to kind of promote the activity there so Ijust put that on your calendar hopefully you’ll see some more stuff on that inthe future I think of it turned back to Don to just mention about couple thingson the project website and then we’ll be going into questions andanswers fairly soon thank you Mark so as Mark mentioned this is a goodopportunity for you to type in your questions we have a couple of questionsthat have come in but while you’re thinking about any question might haveto get opportunity now to type them in I briefly early on mentioned the projectwebsite it’s a very robust website a lot of information about the process thecommunities we’ve engaged every the tools and tactics guidebook is in therethe flowchart that mark just worked walkthroughs in there and has and youknow has the hyperlink there hi links to all of these resources so when we dealtwith st.Ignace as one of the case study or one of the proof-of-conceptcommunities one of the things that they said about thedeone of the things that they said about the flowchart was just how easy was toaccess and they realize they didn’t have to read everything but that they couldkind of go through it get a feel for it and then see what was appropriate fortheir municipality of being staining this and what they could utilize sohere’s a contact information so this is the sustainable small harbors atumich.edu is the email somebody will get back to you marks information is onthere in terms of future directions and then my informations on it if you haveany questions about this specific this specific presentation here today okay soone of the questions we have what is can you talk more about the dredgingcollaborative I’m actually going to ask maybe Dave Knight to feel that questionhe’s been probably the one who’s been most engaged in that sure the dirt andthe dredging collaborative is a concept we’ve seen it in practice and it’s aconcept that really needs the Great Lakes we really haven’t seen it amongsmall harbors in the Great Lakes yet but in Oregon the state of Oregon ninecommunities coastal communities got together they were pretty remote they’redredging costs were very high for them to bring in contractors to theirindividual communities they persuaded the state to buy the equipment and theyactually train their staff to use it and it’s a very effectivebecome a very effective approach to collaborative I guess my small harborsthat don’t have means individually to operate a dredging program butcollectively we’re able to do that New York State has also pursued the conceptand they are still talking among a group of about a dozen small harbours on LakeOntario so it’s conceptual that makes a lot ofsense especially where you have a group of small harbours in relative geographicproximity like a range of harbours at the press the southern part of LakeMichigan or the northern coast of Lake Erie again where individually it’s toughto become self-sustainable and get all the equipment to dredge Harbor with afrequency that maybe only three or every three or four years but collectively ina group could start to make a lot more sense okay thank you Dave so I’m justgoing to serve as moderator and as we get through the questions I’ll try todirect them to the to the right person here so another question that came in iswhat does it cost to use your services to hold these series of meetings that isa very hard question to answer because of the wide range of variability interms of quote unquote the services a lot of these community meetings some ofthem could actually be done relatively affordably if you engage with markbreeder LAN or some of the extension or Sea Grant staff there are local officesthat can kind of help you with the community visioning sessions if you wantto engage in a much larger community visioning session sometimes those can beon the order of ten to twenty thousand dollars for like a long weekendsometimes even more depending upon the size of the report that you might wantto receive from that so if you decide you want to engage in community masterplanning efforts associated with your waterfront you can probably eithercontact us we can help put you into touch with some of the professionalsthat do that type of work there are grants available to support this some ofthe this particular project cost our case study communities nothing becausewe receive grants and funding for the state so there are opportunities forgrant funding associated with doing these community visioning sessionsalright and the next question I have is can you discuss what sort of EconomicAnalysis was carried out or we should be considering and for that I’m going toask Sanjeev Sinnott answer Thank You Don so the economic analysis for thisproject was focused on each harbour that we went to with the economists that wehad on the team was from various economics his reports are on the websiteas well by the way I wanted to mention that if you google if you forget thelinks if you google small harbors that’s the first thing that should appear onyour screen so obviously is getting a lot of hits otherwise we wouldn’t havethat so if you pull the individual side visits or the harbors that we went toyou can look at the economic analysis reports for each index and everyindividual harbour the engine for the economic analysis was carried out butusing a software called implant InP LAN LAN which is an economicassessment software system it’s pretty standard in the industry actually mostof the economies both in consulting as well as in academia use that and what itdoes is it contains a set of expensive databases that have economic factorsmultipliers and demographic statistics with information on 528 differentindustry sectors so we use that to essentially create the four or fiveoptions that we received at the end of every share that we use that to come upwith a profit revenue model and the findings you can find that in theeconomic analysis force thank you now thank you so another question I cancersaid this process seems more geared for City waterfront harbors than harbours ofRefuge can you speak the smaller harbors without retail etc I’m going to answerpart of that question and then probably ask Dave night that the chime in as wellyou are correct that we all the Casey communities we visited had a waterfrontdowntown kind of interfaces some of the they were also harbors a refuge so therewere all these harbours also had designatedyou know harbour well not all of them I should say because you Baltimore did notbut a lot of these were dual purpose harbors and so there is some of theeconomic value capture pieces of this are truly you do need to figure out alittle some of the long-term sustainability issues are just maybe alittle more difficult with some of smaller harbours of refuge so Dave wouldyou like to kind of speak about that a little bit more as wellwell one concept or one one discussion that happened several years ago andcontinues to take place to some extent is having to do is Harbor maintenanceand the federal roles we discussed a little a little bit earlier is whetherthere really is a federal interest and is this federal economic development inthe terms that are used or regional economic dollars in other words is thecore responsible for the regional economic development goals and someplayers in the game not only running harbours of refuge don’t have thateconomic factor in play there’s a question of health and human safetythere should be certainly federal interest as that as it applies to theCoast Guard and NOAA and all the agencies are involved in health andhuman safety anything to do with the Great Lakes so I think harbors of refugehave a strong case as we go forward and find a federal dredging program that hasroom for small harbors and for harbors of refuge there should not have to beany economic justification or economic whether it be federal interest orregional interest this is a matter of health and human safety should be ableto use that heavily going forward to persuade the Corps of Engineers to andperhaps with in collaboration with other partners the state might be involvedalso but that should be a strong argument for the for those harbors to bemaintained so the thank you Dave so anotherquestion that came in I was reminded by the way that all gray was one of thecommunities and they didn’t have a downtown waterfront situation so we didhave a we did have a case bay community that did not have kind of a downtownwaterfront aspect to it another keep your questions coming these are great solet’s see reading them as they come in has anyone compiled any numbers as tothe average amount of economic benefit of community receives for each boat thatcomes into the harbor is there an opportunity to support to conduct such asurvey of marina to provide this information and community leaders as wediscuss annual budgets and renovations of expansion projects we some of thateconomic analysis has been done I’m not sure we have the people in the room thatknow the answer that specifically Dave or Paul Peterson maybe well I can speakto study that’s perhaps a little bit aged I think it was a finally completedabout six or seven years ago on the economic impact of boaters recreationalboating it was a MSU sponsored study carried out by a team with some verystrong and accurate algorithms and methods and that’s out there and stillwould have a very accurate portrayal it has some actual tools that you can useto compute you know both set up based on marina slips the Great Lakes Commissionactually was the partner the sponsor of that toothere’s another study ongoing right now I think they’re still trying to buildsupport for working with the waterways with the Michigan courts collaborativeand some partners to refine that a little bit more and be able to generatethat economic impact quotient on a couple of other different factors Ithink it’s number of boats but that there are tools available yes so popPeterson if you’re still the phone you might want to talk aboutthat so the question had to do so Paul can you hear me all right Paul Peterson can you join us later onit ball a call so the question was on if you heard it right but the the questionreally had to do is there resources available to kind of a survey of boatsbursts or boats wants and how much economic benefit might come from voterscoming in and out of a harbor would you or Lane a have any information aboutthat you might be able to share I do know this that one of the potential newwaterways grant applications and in both with the city of Alpena and the portcollaborative is such an animal – they’re looking to develop that has somepredictive elements some asset management and to essentially know thisis my simple man’s way of saying it a tool that can help communities with ifthey were to invest in in a certain capital component what the outcomescould be betting like I say that it’s a potential grant they would be movingahead to develop that so at this time it’s not available but I think in thefuture you may see that and then it would be available to the Harvardcommunity okay thank you Paul for those of you joined like that’s Paul Peterstood on the waterways Commission you as a part of the sorry opposite waterwaysDNR um the other thing I think I want to mention on that briefly is that saltHaven has done a very very nice job kind of documenting their value capture andrevenues associated with the there’s going to boat traffic and what they needso one of the things you could do on the website is look at the city of SouthHaven and they’ve got a really did a very nice job of looking at the balancesheets for both revenues and expenses in terms of financial stability so anotherquestion that came in is can you confirm the name of the software that wasmentioned for the economic analysis so stingy yeah it isimplant iymp LAN imply and is that you can also google that bythe way is that a proprietary software or public domain stuff it is aproprietary software yeah okay so somebody really wanted to do aneconomic analysis with implant and probably need to reach out to a naturalresource economist then okay thank you the next question we have is what areresources to draw upon if a Township with waterfront is proceeding withoutauthorizing private development that is not environmentally sound and as thepotential negative impacts of freshwater do ecosystems that’s a very difficultquestion to answer without more information but I would say that that isone of those things where you need to look at the public which is definitelyengage the public in that one for the public input process there are very kindof strict rules for development so there is a permit process that needs to bethat you need to go through through both the the joint permit with through thestate so it has to be permitted before it could be built so if they’re tryingto get around permitting that’s that’s another issue hi this is Catherinerising I’m over here at Michigan sea grant – and I just wanted to say I meanthat is a complicated question and I think this project itself has beendealing more on assisting community with developing plans so I think this whatyour question kind of highlights is the need for community to think throughdevelopment plans however they want to mess plan for future land use in theircommunity and what kind of regulations to a Township want to set up so they canguide those kind of developments so I think right at this table we don’treally have those kind of regulatory experts but we are thinking about thesethings into the future and how can a communities plan for those kind ofconcerns that you seem to be bringing up thank youso my question that came in is networking was mentioned earlier did youfind evidence of pre-existing networks among case communities with their nearbycommunities if not does a harbor community anticipate networking withother similar communities I would say and others can jump in from the teamthat there was not at 3k state communities we went to thereare some existing networks but not as many as you might think this projectactually brought a lot of those networks together so one of the things we wouldencourage is to engage both this research team as well as perhaps PaulPeterson that the DNR or other local communities to actually look at some ofthese regional networks that might come up so does anyone else from the researchteam when I talk about networks I would say we didn’t find a lot of existingnetworks but this process helped form networks down to the morning I’ll justcomment real quick that it seems like the only ones that occurred in the pastso there are different mayor exchanges between different coastal communities wecertainly noticed that but those had done over a decade agoso nothing active and ongoing that really stood out and again there was agreat opportunity for that and many lessons to share with each other on youknow obviously the the nearest or dynamic sir and things are going to bedifferent in your individual community but all these processes that we’ve triedto capture probably a lot the same so anyways I would encourage that hey markthis is idea so I want to cut a quick point here I think the it wasinteresting as we were giving the talk today the talk that came to my mind wassomething called maybe Harbor champions a way for the team led by Mark Buehrleand many samples and Kathryn etc to completed cooking a you know proactivecommunity or gathering of Harbor town officials and key players that canactually keep the dialogue going and it went interesting to me because DaveKnight is sitting right you know next to me and he wrote a comment saying weshould really consider something like a coastal college so the idea was verysimilar just a different name just something for you to consider Kathryngoing forward hey do we have any other questions all right well I think ohthere’s one last question side this will be last one what small harbour town willwe be going to next and how can we get involved I think that’s a question formark breed Irwin so I would encourage anybody that’sinterested to be proactive and trying to contact you know myself and the statewhether it’s the office of Great Lakes or the DNR waterways we’re hoping to beable to find some resources and cobble OHS together over the next few years tobe able to do at least a couple more communities and so if the timings rightI think timing can be critical um and and we actually approach somecommunities to potentially be pilots and they turn us down because the timingwasn’t good there’s nothing wrong with that just when you find the right timingencourage it to kind of be proactive and reach out and see if we can all worktogether and make something happen so so there’s no specific list of of whatmight happen next but again we’ll try to respond as our resources a lot so greatquestions Thanks thank you Mark and with that this is Kathryn one more thing Ithink it was a great comment about developing a coastal college which cansee grant developing a coastal college and I was reminded that we have one ofour extension part representatives Mary bowling has been developing somethingcalled a water school that’s supported by Michigan Sea Grant and that helps toeducate local officials and investors about some of these critical waterrelated issues so I encourage you to look that up on our website and contactme and have any questions about that great so thank you very much again thewebsite is sustainable small harbors org and if you google sustainable smallharbors you’ll absolutely pop up near the top of the list we thank everyonefor joining us today and enjoy the rest of this sunny afternoon

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